Episode 64
The obesity epidemic is raging out of control, and the horizon appears to be very dark. By 2030 it is estimated that nearly 50% of American adults will be obese. Excess body fat is linked to numerous chronic diseases, including cancer, infertility, thyroid abnormalities, diabetes, stroke, Alzheimer’s, and more. Dr. Harris is joined by Dr. Trent Mozingo, who has made it his mission to fight the battle of the bulge. Dr. Mozingo’s work The Weight is Over has helped transform the lives of many through transformational information regarding the true nature of fat loss. The weight loss industry is a billion-dollar industry, yet despite all the gadgets, gizmos, and quick fixes, the world’s obesity problem is still surging. In this episode of the podcast, Dr. Harris and Dr. Mozingo discuss how diseased food is causing disease, why the weight loss industry has it all wrong, and practical tips you can use to help create sustainable fat loss.
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And now to this week’s episode. Welcome to the Strive For Great Health Podcast. I’m your host, Dr. Richard Harris. And today I have with me a guest who’s really, really interesting, up to some really cool stuff. I have Dr. Trent Mozingo with me, Trent. How are you doing, sir?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:01:50] I’m doing great, sir. I appreciate you having me on the show.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:01:53] Well, thank you for coming on. I really love your overall approach to wellness and all the cool stuff that you’re up to. So let’s start off; this is a question I always ask my guests to begin with. What inspired your journey into holistic wellness?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:02:08] Well, when I was about 16, actually I was 16. I was a new driver, and I made a very big mistake by running a stop sign on a highway.
And there was quite a bit of medical issues that happened. I broke my lower mandible in two places, broke a bunch of teeth. So I was in the hospital for a while. After, you know, the dental work and the reconstruction and surgeries and things, I had some soreness and achiness and just wasn’t feeling right.
So I went to my cousin, who happens to be a chiropractor, but we weren’t really close. He’s quite a bit older than I am. And I just asked him, you know, what do I need to do? And he, he checked me out, and I just didn’t know anything about chiropractors at that point cause I’d never seen one before. So I asked him, you know, what is, what does it take to become a chiropractor?
And he’s like, well, I went to Purdue. Then I went to Palmer, and you know, I’m 16. I didn’t really know what I want to do with the rest of my life. So I just asked him, you know, do you like it? And he absolutely loved his job. He loved what he did, and he was super happy. The whole time I was there.
I looked outside. He had a really nice car. I thought this is it. This is what I want to do. So as of right then, my first adjustment, I knew that I went to Purdue, and I went to Palmer, Florida, just like he did. He went to Palmer, Iowa, but it wasn’t there when he went to school, and he told me, well, there’s a school in Florida.
Now you should probably go to Florida, which makes sense. So that’s where it ended up and just becoming a chiropractor was always my dream. But then, when I got to school, then it started to shift into functional wellness, functional nutrition, functional medicine, whatever you want to call it. And when I was in school studying, you know, musculoskeletal pain, it started looking into, well, there’s a lot bigger problem in our country than just low back pain, neck pain and headaches and chiropractic care can treat other things than just those.
But that’s, you know, the gold standard of chiropractic care. I started realizing, you know, the weight epidemic was growing out of proportion, diabetes, and heart disease. All these things were just growing at exponential levels. And then it hit me in about; I think it was 2010 when I was in school that I read a study that the average life expectancy has started to decline in the first time in history. So I started really dive into why that is, what’s going wrong. Why is our medical system costing so much money? And yet, we’re still kind of growing sicker and sicker as a population. So that’s when I started to dive deep into biochemistry and functional nutrition.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:04:33] Yeah, your journey is really similar to mine, actually.
So I started to get into holistic health because of a car accident as well. I had a bad car accident when I was 16. And I started having chronic back pain after that. And so I didn’t want to be put on medications the rest of my life. I was only 16 years old. And so that’s when I really started to work on functional movement and exercise and say, okay, what, what can I do to help myself?
And. Just like you. When I got in college, I did my family tree, and I realized there was tons of disease in my family. I said, okay, I need to do something to mitigate these risks. And I just went further and further down these rabbit holes. And that’s what led me into holistic medicine. And I think one of the most interesting things I found about your profile is the farming.
And it’s something that gets overlooked this day and age is where our food actually comes from. Right. People don’t think about that. And there’s a huge difference between sustainable farming and conventional farming. Can you talk a little bit about some of these differences and how that impacts our health?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:05:41] Sure. To put this lightly, we are basically in a science experiment. As humans, the food we’re eating is totally different than what we are designed to eat for the most part. And that’s because of the difference between conventional and sustainable farming. So in order to break that down to easier terms to understand, it’s basically, you can decide to divide it between organic and synthetic farming.
Okay. So conventional farming, which is taking the majority of corn, soybeans, wheat, the bulk products are grown is because the farmer is after yield, is after quantities, after, he or she is after, you know, trying to make as much money per acre as possible and conventional farming allows that to happen. Where fertilizing to make something grow big and strong, they only use three different fertilizers, for the most part, is POS potash, phosphorus, and nitrogen.
Like they just put those things in the ground to make a big, bulky high yield field, which it does work. You get a whole bunch of corn, a whole bunch of soybeans, and a whole bunch of wheat, but you get a very depleted product. And that product is what we’re eating.
Sustainable farming is like organic farming. So you’re going to take the soil, increase the nutrition in the soil. So the plant is healthy because plants, humans, we’re all living creatures, and we will never be healthier than the food we eat. Plants are very similar. They don’t have a mouth to eat like humans do, but they basically eat food from the soil.
They consume the dirt. If the dirt doesn’t have the nutrients that they need, they’re going to be a depleted plant. They may still have a bright red tomato grown, but inside that tomato, the nutrition is depleted. And then you go down the rabbit hole. If we eat that tomato that has grown without the adequate soil, adequate sunlight, adequate water, that tomato is not going to nourish our human body the same way that that soil didn’t nourish the tomato.
So as we do this on a macro scale, people eat. You know, boxed foods all day long that are just completely full of this depleted grain. If there’s grain in it at all, mainly chemicals, but if they eat it at all, it’s just, there’s no nutrition. And in the biochemistry world, no human or no living creature can survive without a very essential set of nutrients.
So that’s where conventional farming is kind of burning both ends of the WIC, I guess, is a good way of putting it because the soil is just becoming more and more depleted, and they just keep growing and growing and growing. And it’s, it’s going to hit the end game at some point, and you can clearly see our soil is weaker, more unhealthy, and so are humans.
So the proof is in the pudding, if you will.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:08:41] Yeah, there’s so much to touch on there. And it’s so important for us to realize this concept, that if you eat food that is diseased, you will get diseased. If you eat inflamed cows, you will get inflamed. If you eat vegetables depleted of nutrients, you won’t get essential nutrients.
And I think it’s really interesting that soy, corn, and wheat are the major crops that we’re growing. And most of that doesn’t even end up on people’s plates. You know, things like 90% of corn goes to high fructose corn syrup, which is extremely toxic, and then ethanol. So most of these farmers are growing things that aren’t even ending up on, on the plates of people.
And then if you look at like the subsidies, right? Most of these people, they cannot grow something else. Like if you have a corn farm and you’re depending on the corn subsidies, and you want to go grow blueberries, you can’t; you lose your subsidies. And that’s insane to me. Absolutely insane.
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:09:36] Yeah. The control, the not political control, but that, yeah, that subsidy, it does keep farmers alive, and you’re right.
They can’t think outside the box because they really just can’t afford to. To become an organic farmer is so hard that most of them would go bankrupt before they even got started. And then you can think about bankrupting the family business doesn’t sound very good. So there, you know, keep kicking the can down the road, if you will.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:10:04] Right. And that’s why this whole holistic approach requires every part of health. You know, the government, the farmers, individuals, consumer preference, all of it. And, you know, I’ll get a lot of people telling me that organic is a scam. I’m like, well, what do you mean? It’s a scam. And they say, well, the foods aren’t more nutritious.
I’m like, well, where did you read that? I mean, there are studies that show that they do have more antioxidants and phytonutrients. Then you look at the effect of pesticides in the environment. That’s a huge portion. I think it’s between 70 to 93% of people have glyphosate in their urine, you know, which has been linked to cancer, endocrine, abnormalities, diabetes, overweight, and it’s a neurotoxin, all of these other problems.
So then you look at that effect of organic farming. Then you look at the soil effect where, you know, if you talked to some people, they say we only have about 50 harvests left because we’re literally running out of topsoil. And that’s a huge problem. If we run out of topsoil, there’s no more crops, period.
And so that’s why the sustainable method is so necessary, not just for our individual health, but the health of the ecosystem that we live in. There’s only one planet Earth, unless Elon gets us to Mars.
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:11:15] I’m not crossing my fingers.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:11:18] I’m not either on that one, but you know, let’s, let’s, there’s some other stuff that you’re really passionate about.
And one of these is, is obesity and the obesity epidemic is, is swallowing the country, literally, you know, where some States, 40% of people are obese. 20% of kids are obese that just breaks my heart. And so you wrote a book, The Weight Is Over. What inspired you to write this book?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:11:47] When I opened my office out of college, I didn’t want to be just another run-of-the-mill chiropractor.
You know, I didn’t want it to be the person that you went to. You got adjusted, you felt great. You went home. I wanted to be more of that. You know, well-rounded, holistic cover all my bases doctor. So that’s when I started working into functional medicine. And then, you know, in the world of functional medicine, those that are looking for that alternative health. So those that will have, you know, low thyroid function, poor digestive function pre-diabetes, all those other conditions they’re overweight. And a lot of those that look for our type of care need to lose weight. It’s part of it. It’s a huge part of getting into that next level of promoting your own health, promoting yourself.
So I started to look into what was causing the weight epidemic, and people don’t understand it. They don’t know why they’re gaining weight, and the weight loss industry is vicious. It sells more gimmicks and gizmos and things to give people this idea, that weight gain and weight loss as a standalone problem, that all they do, have to do is do this little 20 day cleanse or 10 day this or Keto for this while, or intermittent fasting for this.
And that’s all they have to do to lose weight. And once they lose weight, there’s an end game. Like they can just go back to their old lifestyle and the weight supposed to magically stay away. Those answers that so many come into my office and have been sold these ideas, I couldn’t explain it to them. What was going wrong inside their human body to cause them to gain weight in a two-hour consultation. It just took too much time. And for me, I’m a pretty thorough person. So I didn’t want to give someone this, you know, maybe a supplement for their digestive system or boost their stomach acid.
Something like that. At the same time, they’re continuing to eat and drink soda two gallons a day. That’s creating the problem. So the book I wrote it, it was like an education foundation for anyone that’s really trying to get themselves out of their own way. So they can learn exactly what went wrong inside the human body and went wrong, went wrong as a society if you will, and wIth that education, they can then look for the steps forward to get, to get their health on the right track.
And it’s not just about weight loss. It’s not just about caloric restriction. It’s not just about eating Keto or intermittent fasting. It’s not just about any one of those things. It’s about this bridge of stress, sleep, life, happiness, community, your families sitting down for dinner; all these things come together to maintain your weight, your homeostasis, your inner body’s ability to function in an effective and efficient way.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:14:44] Absolutely. You know, this is. Something that I really resonate with because everyone in my family is either overweight or obese, and I didn’t want to be like that. And so I went on a journey of what do I need to keep myself at a healthy body weight? Because in this country there’s a movement that. You know, fat acceptance movement or obesity acceptance movement.
And I’m like, this is insane because it is a medical condition. I don’t look at you if you’re obese like this is a cosmetic issue like you’re ugly or something like that. No, that’s not it. This is a medical condition that puts you at risk for numerous health problems, 13 different cancers, you know, diabetes, heart disease, strokes, heart attacks.
Alzheimer’s, you know, all of these chronic conditions that people see, and most people don’t realize that obesity is a pro-inflammatory state; literally, all that fat starts to become inflamed. And that’s why you get a lot of these chronic diseases. And. You’re completely correct. The weight loss industry is a billion-dollar industry that just takes advantage of people, tries to offer them a quick solution; you know, quick solutions create quick problems.
That’s all that does. That’s all it does. And it’s so much more complicated than that. And like you, I created a course for fat loss because I said there’s a lot that goes into it, but it’s not just about losing the weight. It’s about sustainable behavior, sustainable mechanisms. And it’s about keeping that behavioral system in place so that you have an overall health maintenance and health-promoting system.
And I think that’s so important because most of these things like quick weight loss and the cleanses and stuff like that, people just yo-yo back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Then they get discouraged, and then they quit.
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:16:39] Yeah. They lose three pounds gain four. That’s the way it works.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:16:43] Absolutely. And so you, you alluded to this, but what is the root cause of obesity in this country? Why is it skyrocketing out of proportion?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:16:56] Loaded question, but from my research, the industrial revolution. Okay. That sounds like a lot, but around 1900, 1910, right things shifted. Our daily activities shifted,d what life was all about shifted because pre-industrial evolution, they had a community.
They spent their entire day raising, grooming, or producing or preparing food. That was what life was all about. The most important thing of every single day was to wake up and figure out what food we were going to get that day to nourish our body. One neighbor may raise the tomatoes. This one may raise the pork, the beef, and this neighbor, and they would share, and they would mend, and they would prepare their meals and sit down, take the time, and nourish their human body.
But what happened was our daily activities shifted from spend our time trying to grow and produce food to spend our time trying to make enough money in the industries to then buy food instead of having food prepared around your own community. Right? So then food started being trucked and started being shipped.
Vegetables started to become picked, still green, and matured through chemicals on trucks on our way to the central grocery stores. And then it started to shift. This idea of money was to buy things, and the quality of our car was more important than the quality of our food. So now we have shifted into, I want to buy the most expensive car I can afford.
That means I got to cut my cost down at the grocery store. Now I’m trying to buy bulk with the cheapest amount. Now I want the buffet idea, right? I want to spend $5 and get a huge amount of junk food instead of spending $20 to get a small amount of nourishing food, because we have changed our priorities inside of our mind of what is the most important thing to purchase with my paycheck today.
And then you could spin that into, you know, work for the most part is more stressful than it used to be. We don’t love; most people don’t love their job. I luckily do love mine. It does help me stay healthy, but those that don’t love their job, they wake up every day dreading going there. And that relationship they have with food is they can’t wait for lunch only because it’s 30 minutes or an hour away from that job that they’re grinding on all day.
Then they have to go back to work, and then they’re exhausted. And then they just on the way home think, you know, McDonald’s is easy. It’s cheap, and it tastes delicious. That’s what I’ll have. So they get a Big Mac and fries with a Coke, and they head home, and they eat it around the TV where more bad news is at. Spin that into, you know, day on, day in, day out every day.
It’s this; we aren’t enough. We aren’t active enough. We don’t sleep enough. We’re stressed, and we eat junk food all day. That’s the epidemic.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:20:00] Yeah. There’s a lot of really great points you just made there about our lifestyle and our priorities and how that’s changed. One of the things I always tell anyone who listens tell my clients, you know, I say two things. An investment in your health always pays dividends always.
If you invest in yourself, you always get a reward from that. And then I always tell people, if you do not make time for health, you will be forced to make time for illness. Because once you get sick, everything stops. Business stops, life stops, relationships stop, everything stops, everything gets put on, put on hold when you get sick, and it’s so important to try and prevent that.
And like you said, about the mindset, people look at health like it’s a luxury now. And I’m like, wait, what it’s you only get one body. This is not a luxury. This is essential. Absolutely essential and I’d rather spend money. Like I said on myself, making sure I’m healthy, making sure I’m the best version of myself for my wife, for my parents, my friends, my sister, you know, my clients, everyone who depends on me.
You know, I need to be the best version of myself, so I can help someone and hopefully save their life or change the trajectory of their life. And we live in a very consumer-centric country where it’s all about things. It’s all about status. What car do you drive? What vacation you went on, Instagram, this Facebook that you know, and then if you try to improve your health by posting these things, people don’t like it.
They don’t share it. They don’t comment. They don’t encourage you, but you go buy a new Louis Vuitton purse. How many likes and comments do you get on that, tons! And that just shows you how backwards we’ve become in our mindset. And what we think is valuable. And the stress is a huge portion; it’s we’ll just talk about this for a second.
You, one of the things I tell people, they don’t understand why they stress eat. And I tell them, okay, when you’re chronically stressed, you get these spikes and surges in cortisol. It’s a stress hormone, and that was only meant to happen if we needed to run from a tiger; it was not meant to happen all the time.
And so what your brain does is it will seek out dopamine. So it’ll seek out things that are rewarding, like junk food, because you get a spike in dopamine. And that helps offset some of the damage that chronic elevations in cortisol happen in the brain. So that’s why you stress eat. And so if you don’t moderate your stress, That’s going to lead to behaviors that are counterproductive to your overall health.
And I think that’s very important for people to understand that stress impacts us in so many different ways that can lead to adverse outcomes like gaining body fat. Now, what are some practical tips? You know, two or three tips that people can take from your book to help manage their weight?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:22:54] One, I would say number one, would be stress management and figuring out ways to keep yourself happy.
Whether it’s a hobby, going to church, finding some sense of community some way, even if it’s as simple as making sure you all sit down for a family dinner, something like that to look forward to every single day is beneficial. Just to keep the mind level, too, I would say.
Prepare your food for tomorrow today. Hopefully, that’s local grown local raised food that you’re preparing with, but know what you’re going to eat tomorrow. Because it’ll give you a plan and it’ll give you portions. It’ll give you portion control and also be sure that when you get up in the morning, you’re not rushing quickly to get something quick, a bagel or something junk foodie on the way to work.
You won’t be worried about lunchtime, 30 minutes rushing to get something else quick. And on the way home, you already know what you’re going to cook for dinner. That’s going to give you a nice way to line out one, saving tons of money on buying non, not buying junk food, and two portions, which is huge.
Three eat less often is a really good way of portion control as well, so intermittent fasting, if anyone wants to research that it’s very empowerful to increase your growth hormone, which is the anti-aging hormone. It’s a great idea. But if you’re going to intermittent fast or you’re going to do any diet plan at all, if it doesn’t include single-ingredient foods, stay away from it because those are the foods that we are designed to eat.
As humans, we’re designed to eat foods that are fruits, vegetables, nuts, and lean meats, eggs too, of course, but that’s part of an animal. So those foods are what we should spend all of our time eating.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:24:48] Absolutely. That’s so important. I always tell my clients have an if-then-when plan. And that is so you’re not caught off guard.
And we meal prep. I always meal prep. When I go work in the hospital, I always have a plan around my meals. And that doesn’t mean I spend; I spend, you know, seven hours in the kitchen cooking every week. No, I just have a general idea. Okay. I need veggies. I need a protein. I need some good fats. And then I have central concepts related around that.
So most of the time I’m in my kitchen, I have all the tools, and I just throw something together, you know, every now and then, you know, me and the wife will make something out of a recipe that we want to try. But most of the time, we’re just combining those essential ingredients together; veggies, protein, good fat.
And that’s my meal, and it’s all like you said, single ingredient. There’s only two things in the house that we keep on a regular basis that have labels, and that is almond butter and barbecue sauce, but we use an organic barbecue sauce, and I don’t use it that often. I just love barbecue. I know.
That’s what I grew up eating, right. In Texas, it’s kind of a requirement, and it’s so simple. You know, the foods that we should be eating do not have labels. Broccoli doesn’t need a label. You know what? Broccoli is blueberries don’t need a label; you know what blueberries are. And like you said earlier, most of these foods that people eat, I have two doctorates.
I have a doctorate in pharmacology. I have a doctorate in medicine. Most of the foods that people eat. I look at the chemicals, and I don’t even know what they are. You know, sometimes I just do a game where I see how many ingredients on these processed foods that I know what they are and what they do.
And if I don’t know, then I go look them up and see what the data shows on, how bad these, these chemicals are for us. So those are some really easy, practical tips that anyone can do to start improving your metabolic health and your weight to have a healthy body weight. Now, where can they find your book?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:26:47] It’s on Amazon. They just look up The Weight is Over. There’s a few titles. The Weight is Over. They look up my last name of Mozingo, and The Weight is Over, it comes up.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:26:56] Awesome. Great. Definitely go check that out. It’ll help you along on your journey, because like we talked about, there is no one thing that you need to do.
It’s a comprehensive total wellness plan, just like we would approach any other ailment in holistic medicine; you know, we don’t just say, Oh, this is just the one thing you need to do. No, we outline a plan. And then, we sequentially implement that plan. We don’t, we don’t just dive in all at once, but we have a plan, and we step-by-step implement the plan.
And I think this resource can help you. If weight is something that you’re struggling with and you want to get to a healthy body weight, how can they get in contact with you on social media trends?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:27:38] I’m not great with it, but my office has a page new start health center on Facebook. That’s about the best way.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:27:46] Perfect. Perfect. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It was a lot of fun. Is there anything that you want to close with? Any words of encouragement or wisdom that you like to say?
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:27:56] I’d like to tell everyone they are the only one responsible for their own health.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:27:59] That is something that I say all the time, you know one of my favorite books is Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin.
And they talk about that, is you are responsible for you at the end of the day. And what I like to tell people is the space between stimulus and response is the space that we 100% own. And that’s the space for growth. So I can’t always determine or change or control what happens to me. I can always control how I respond.
That is a hundred percent on me. And so you have to take ownership of your health and stop blaming and just make it happen. Like Nike said, just do it. And day by day by day, make small changes, small changes, small improvements, small improvements. And you’ll look up a year from now and be like, well, I can’t believe I got here.
And it was a lot easier than I thought it was.
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:28:54] Yeah. I’ve told myself, tell everyone. No, one’s perfect. Just make more good choices than bad. That’s all we can do.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:29:00] Absolutely and take it day by day. Well, Trent, thank you for coming on the show. I really appreciate it.
Dr. Trent Mozingo: [00:29:06] Thank you for having me on the show. This was great.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:29:08] Oh, you’re welcome. You’re welcome. If you ever want to come back, just let me know. I’m sure there’s a lot more that we can talk about to my listeners. Thank you for listening. Thank you for making that investment in your health and make yourself a priority. Invest in yourself. And this podcast is a great first step in investing in your health and your future.
So thank you for listening to the Strive for Great Health Podcast with your host, Dr. Richard Harris. Have a blessed day.
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