Before The Ashes Fall is a novel and upcoming film by visionary David Serafine that presents an entirely new perspective on Alzheimer’s disease. Before his groundbreaking work, few mainstream entertainment projects had focused on the disease from the vantage point of those most affected by it; the minority community. We had the pleasure of interviewing David about his work and how he plans to utilize the film and book to help raise awareness and help those with this devastating illness.
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Welcome to the Strive for Great Health Podcast; I’m your host, Dr. Richard Harris, and today I have a guest on the show, and we’re going to be talking about dementia and Alzheimer’s not mainly from the scientific perspective, but more from the relational impact. And we both have our own stories related to this.
And I think it’s very important to have these conversations because, yes, it is a medical disease. But it also impacts families and generations and friendships. It’s a devastating condition, not only for the person but for those who are involved with that loved one too. Not everyone has experienced that, but I have on the show with me, David Serafine.
How are you, David?
David Serafine: [00:01:22] Hey, good afternoon, Dr. Harris. Nice to see you.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:01:25] Oh, thank you. Thank you. It’s great to have you on the show, and you, like me, are a man, who’s up to many different things, and that’s what I love. And one of the things that you did was, was write a book called before the ashes fall. So tell me about this book.
What was the inspiration? What’s in the novel? What do you hope people get out of the book?
David Serafine: [00:01:48] Before the ashes fall was actually a journey for me that started about three years ago. And that journey began with my wife’s grandfather and mother, both being diagnosed with various forms of dementia. So one Alzheimer’s and then frontal temporal dementia. But, and so from that standpoint, just kind of watching how the diseases itself themselves unfolded, what impact they had on things such as finances, obviously on relationships. You know, being thrust in a situation, you’re a caregiver at a very early age from that standpoint.
So I think for me, it was just more of a watching how that disease impacted not just individuals suffering from them, but also the collateral damage, to those that are surrounding them as well. So a pretty significant change for my wife and her and her livelihood, as well as the rest of the family.
But for me, I mean, for the most part, the story itself, it is about love, forgiveness, and redemption. So I didn’t just want to paint a picture of dementia necessarily from a medical context; that wasn’t the purpose of the story itself. It did have a connective aspect with a father and a son, one that has early-onset Alzheimer’s with a son, how he reconnected with a father before it was too late, but more about the relationship standpoint than the actual disease itself. So that was the hope with the story.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:03:10] That’s incredible, you know, Alzheimer’s is becoming more prevalent and, you know, we link all dementia’s most people think of it all as Alzheimer’s right.
There are multiple different types of dementia, you know, there’s, there’s dementia in Parkinson’s, there’s dementia associated with Alzheimer’s, there’s dementia associated with blood vessel disease called vascular dementia. So there’s multiple different types, but also Alzheimer’s is probably the one that we think of the most, and not everyone out there, thank God, has experienced a loved one going through this. I had my grandfather, my dad’s dad. He developed Alzheimer’s because of diabetes. And I watched him pass away from complications related to Alzheimer’s and diabetes. And then my mom’s mom, my grandmother, had Parkinson’s, and so she got Parkinson’s dementia.
And so I saw it on both sides. And, you know, as a kid that I was young, I was a teenager. I didn’t really understand much about what was going on and. The disease process, and you know, why is grandma or grandpa acting that way? But, you know, looking back, I could, I could remember the pain on my parents’ faces whenever they would go interact with their, with their parents and seeing, you know, my grandfather didn’t remember my dad.
And he would look at me because he was stuck in the time period where I look exactly like my dad; if you put us side to side and my grandfather would look at me, and he would think that I was the young version of my dad. And so he would talk to me about stuff that happened way before I was born. And it was just a very painful experience for the family.
And if you look at the data, if you look at what science says right now, 40% of Alzheimer’s is preventable. I think it is actually much higher than that. If you look at everything that we do in holistic medicine, and I will be dropping a more science-related podcast on Alzheimer’s cause it’s a very important conversation to have.
We’re going to dive into the mechanisms and what you can do to protect your brain. So, in addition to the book, I know that there is an adaption to film. And what was your goal with adapting the book over into the film format?
David Serafine: [00:05:26] Yeah. And that’s an excellent question. I think that, again, not from a medical standpoint, that’s not my forte, not my background, but I think from a story writing standpoint and a mechanism for which awareness can take place, the important piece for me was, was to focus on the demographic most impacted by the disease.
In this case, Alzheimer’s. And I think this is not to take away from any dementia theme films in the past. I think there some fantastic films, like The Notebook, Still Alice, Away From Her, those are three good examples of it and the ones most well-known, but none of those have focused on the minority communities that being the demographic most impacted by the disease itself.
And I felt that there was a very big storyline and a voice that could be told from that perspective, with this film and that the secondary outreach associated with the film itself. That’s when we would bring in the medical practitioners speak directly to those demographics most impacted and how they can take control of wellness very early on to stem the overall progress of Alzheimer’s, almost outliving the disease basically.
So that was the goal for me, was to show the voice that had not been captured before work with a director, I think is absolutely fantastic. And Sarah T Swab, she’s a female, obviously. So gender equality in the production of the film as well was a big piece for me. So, I think that we wanted to make sure that that demographic had a voice, involved in this, in this particular disease, because it hadn’t been done before. That was the primary goal for me.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:06:54] That’s amazing. You know, I was just doing some videos on a clinical trial for COVID and a particular holistic product. And the trial is focused on African-Americans because, as you mentioned, chronically African-Americans are underrepresented in clinical studies, and people don’t know this.
And that makes a huge difference. When we say that a group is underrepresented, that means there is not enough statistical power to determine if that treatment is any different than placebo. So a lot of the treatments that large segments of the population are getting minorities, the elderly are based on a best guess.
And that said, given this day and age, all the technology and tools that we have, that there just hasn’t been a focus on making sure our treatments are effective for the minority community because we have differences in genetics. There’s differences in culture, there’s differences in lifestyle.
These are significant factors that can influence treatment response. And so I think what you’re doing there is fantastic. I know that a lot of the minority community thinks that we’re just supposed to get disease as we get older because that’s all they see. No, that’s also not true. And so we need as many voices as possible telling an alternate story about wellness, about prevention, and seeing that our choices and the things that we do on a daily basis have an impact.
David Serafine: [00:08:36] Yeah. And I think that that’s an excellent point. And I think that again, that is why the casting, the outreach, engaging with the communities, is the most important. I have my perspective. I don’t have the perspective that you might have or that somebody else might have. And so from that standpoint, it is absolutely critical to say, here’s what the script looks like.
How would you adapt that? How would you speak to that? How can you change it, so it reflects your voice? And that to me was, again, Sarah and, and, Brian Long, the executive producer, those guys were fantastic when looking at my book and adapting that for the screen. So casting will reflect that the outreach will reflect that, the people representing outreach.
So if you’re talking about memory care practitioners, if you’re talking about wellness or holistic practitioners, if you’re talking about researchers, if you’re talking about pharma, All the stuff that goes into, not just the cure, I’m talking about the prevention of it. And that’s the most important aspect to me.
I would be reaching out to the practitioners like yourself. I’m not; that’s what quite frankly been reaching out to and saying, I would love to have an engagement in Buffalo, and I’d like to have you speak in Buffalo, have the community there that we’re trying to reach as well. So it has to reflect the voice.
And that was the opportunity with this film that hadn’t been done before.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:09:48] And, and that’s how we connected, you know, it was on LinkedIn because of our synergistic approach to wellness and something that is both near and dear to both of us. You know, I’ll talk about this more when I go into the science of Alzheimer’s, but I have a copy of the APOE4 gene, and we know that is a strong predictor or strong risk factor of developing Alzheimer’s. And so a lot of what I do initially was to help prevent that because I have the strong family history, I have the genetics, and so I need to do what I can to mitigate that risk. And we mentioned impact; that’s something we talked about.
You know, and your experience when you’re doing your research for the film and the book. What is the impact that you’ve seen dementia have on, on families? Have you had gotten any outreach from people whose loved ones have dementia and, and what are the things that they’re, they’re telling you, or maybe some of the impact that your book has had on their lives?
David Serafine: [00:10:57] Yeah, again, another great question. I think that for me, it was part catharsis to; it was cathartic for me to write the book and talk about it. Cause there’s a father-son connected piece for me personally that I utilized in this story as well. But, you know, from my perspective, I was very surprised to see that you would have people from Chile and people from Brazil, people from Ireland, of course, the United States, they reached out when they read the book, and they said, Hey, I had a spouse, a daughter, a grandfather, a grandparent that had the diseases as well. And so, a couple of different things came to light for me. When I began writing back to the individuals, one was the diseases don’t necessarily respect the lane. It doesn’t care about your socioeconomic status. Doesn’t care about the, you know, what background you come from, religion.
It doesn’t care. It doesn’t abide by any strict set of rules. That’s the first thing. So it’s a very, ironically, it’s a very connective disease. Hence the reason why we’d like to do the outreach in the communities that we’re going through. Everybody knows somebody that has been impacted by dementia. They certainly will know that by 2030 that’s statistically, it’s going to happen.
So that’s the first piece for me that came to light during this discussion. But the other piece that came to light for me was, even when I was looking for an editor, I reached out to arguably one of the most connected cities in the US, that being New York. And so I was referenced some things like silver alerts.
And our member of the, the woman asked me to repeat that. I said a silver alert. She said, what is that? And so when I explained what a silver alert was, to the individual, of course, somebody took the car, and they went driving, got lost, confused. They didn’t know where they were going. They put that up on the side of the road so people could look forward and help the individual.
But it underscored the point that people really, it kind of walks among us. It doesn’t have necessarily the same focus as other diseases, perhaps. Cancer has done a tremendous job of educating, breast cancer, or prostate cancer, a tremendous job, or everybody knows what that is. They’ve heard of it. They understand the resources around that, but even dementia.
You mentioned it earlier. A lot of folks still think that is a normal part of aging and that’s, that’s not a normal part of aging. And things such as silver alerts that are out there, people just didn’t know what they were for. So for me, it’s an insidious disease. It’s insidious to the community. People didn’t recognize that minority communities are more impacted by other communities. There are a lot of things around; it just needs more awareness. So that’s what came to light for me.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:13:21] Yeah. You have to think about this and everything that it touches in someone’s life. You know, there’s the personal aspect of losing your essence of self. You know, a lot of people that I’ve talked to have said that they think that that’s a fate worse than death.
To lose who I am, what I am, to lose the memory of all the things I’ve accomplished, all the beautiful memories that I’ve made over over my life. You know, people want to hold on strongly to that. And that is a part of normal aging, you know, in these blue zone areas, places where there are no chronic disease, there are no dementia.
Aging is revered. It is a revered status, and elders are revered because they are, they have knowledge. They have been battle-tested, and it’s a status that is, is worthy of them. And I think that’s important. In the US, we see aging as bringing on disease and death and destruction and, and the loss of all things good.
And these places that don’t have chronic disease, it’s the complete opposite. And I think that’s an important message. And then you have to look at the financial impact. You know, when you have a parent who gets Alzheimer’s, the financial impact is huge. Yeah. You have to, you know, if you can afford it, send them to a memory care unit.
If you can, have the capacity to take them into your home, you take them into your home, but then you have to make sure that they’re safe and make sure that they can’t go out and wander. You know, those silver alerts that you talked about, you have to change around your routine. You may miss days at work; you may have to take FMLA that may impact your financial ability to provide for your family.
So there’s that, there’s the societal impact where it’s happening in younger and younger people. And so we’re removing viable people from the workforce. And that’s a problem, you know because especially since the fertility rate is so low, most people don’t realize that most of our eligible adult workers are in their fifties and sixties.
That’s who has all the jobs right now. And the fertility rate is super low. So we’re going to see a huge age gap in the available workers. And then, because people are getting sicker earlier, they’re going to have to stop working earlier, and that’s a huge problem for our workforce. So when you start to look at this in totality, You can begin to clearly see that this is a big problem, that’s only going to get much worse, and we’re not talking, you know, a lifetime away; we’re talking 2030. That’s nine years.
David Serafine: [00:16:03] And you, you said so many, so many insightful things there. And I think that that is one of the number of things, where do I start? But I think the one thing talking about the financial impact, and again, I’m not the expert on statistics, but somewhere to the tune of 2 trillion by 2050, meaning the loss of wages, the self-care funding, all of this stuff that you referenced across the board, you’re talking about GDP of countries at that point to care for this particular disease, lost wages, things of that nature, the memory care facilities, even the last one that my mother-in-law went to, a lot of folks are still paying for diapers, for food, for boost, a lot of different products to just maintain. Right? So, the big thing for me, and again, we mentioned this earlier, but that’s why it’s all the more critical to talk about holistic practices or how you can take control of the certain aspects of this disease, whether it’s early screening, your wellness fact that you put into that as well.
That has to be incorporated into how we approach this going forward. It can’t just be, and I put this in quotes. You can’t just be waiting for a cure. That’s not in my humble opinion. That’s not the answer, quite frankly. So, that’s the more important reason for me to get the outreach, talk to communities that otherwise wouldn’t know, it’s not a death sentence.
If you’ve taken care of yourself earlier on, and this is how we can teach our children, our elderly as well, going forward, what they can do to, but yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a massive impact, massive impact.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:17:29] Yeah. And that’s the thing. People always like, Oh, you know, we’ll just figure it out. We’ll get a cure.
I’m like, people don’t realize dementia is like cancer. It’s not one disease. It’s not one factor. We’re still finding out genetic causes of dementia that we had no clue about five years ago. You know, they’re still inventing or not invent. They were still finding new types of dementia because we’re able to do some, some different research techniques now.
And then there’s not one, cause there’s probably three to six causes depending on who you talk to that can lead to that final common pathway. And that’s the reason why so far, there’s no drug that’s been shown to make an appreciable difference. And so we can’t just sit back and wait for a drug. We need to be proactive.
We need to get awareness in the community. And that brings us to our next point. You know, like you mentioned earlier, breast cancer, there’s huge awareness for that prostate cancer, huge awareness, cardiovascular disease, huge awareness for that. And what do we need to do? And I’m not talking as, as a society here.
I’m saying as individuals who have a vested interest in preventing this, what can we do to bring more awareness to this disease?
David Serafine: [00:18:46] I think that and again, I mean, I’m plugging you here’s as we’re sitting here, but identifying podcast and practitioners are doing this again, I didn’t know you before I wrote the book.
I didn’t know you when I said we’re making a film. I didn’t know. I didn’t know you. What I realized very quickly was there’s so much I don’t understand about the various diseases that make up dementia. I just didn’t understand that I don’t have the aptitude to understand that; what I did recognize was I just watched two people in my nearby family die from it.
And so from that standpoint, you then said, okay, if you’re going to the memory care facility, there are all these other families that are going through the exact same thing right now. So my story was to write just how this brutal candor around it, where people would say I had the same thing. I had the same thing.
I had the same thing. Where do we go? So then I started talking to memory care practitioners, you, you engage with them. I started talking to researchers, you engage with them, you start engaging with them, saying, where do we go? And what’s the vehicle by which I can take ownership myself. The one thing that I can do is, I have a story.
I have a film that’ll last forever. You can tie a film to a community in a specific topic and re repeat that over and over again; you can get mass communication to the globe by the vehicle of film. It doesn’t just stop there, though. That’s the key piece, the key pieces. It’s wonderful. Show a story. People say that’s a great story, but now what the goal is to say, if you’re entering this film into a film festival circuit, that’s 60 city opportunities, but what you can say, I’d love to have Dr. Harris speak on behalf of what the wellness practitioners can do or what you can do as an individual to stem the flow of, of Alzheimer’s the onset of Alzheimer’s. Get a dementia care practitioner. Well, I’m already past that stage now. What can I do as far as the care? This is what you can do as far as the care.
What does early screening look like? How do I get access to early screening? Well, that’s what this organization will do for you over here. So the goal for me is, is to drive the overall ownership to the individual by introducing them to people like yourselves. This is what you should listen to. This is who you should go to for guidance.
And again, I’m learning things as I’m sitting here, just speaking with you. So. that’s, that’s how I suggest we start is to get the people that are the experts in their various verticals yourself and the wellness piece that the medical portion of it, memory care practitioners, get them front and center telehealth, get them in front of the communities that otherwise were not going to hear it. That’s the way that we start.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:21:05] Yeah. And that’s the whole village approach. Again, you know, conventional medicine looks at things in silos, right? Your primary care is different than your heart doctor is different than your kidney doctor, different than your physical therapist. And that system doesn’t work.
You know, these are multisystem dysfunctions. Yes, Alzheimer’s is a brain disease, but it’s a multisystem dysfunction. It’s not just isolated to the brain. There’s other things that tend to go wrong with that. We know people with Alzheimer’s tend to not sleep well. We know that people with Alzheimer’s tend to have gut issues.
We know people with Alzheimer’s tend to have functional mobility issues, and that is a total system disease. And so we need that collaborative approach. All hands on deck type of model to help, because like you said, you know, my expertise is not all over the place, you know? Yes. I know wellness, I know prevention.
I know strategies that actually can help with Alzheimer’s, but I can’t help you improve your memory. Right. There’s some; there’s some memory techniques and memory training and things like that. And there are experts who do that. Right. So I can work with them to improve the care of these patients.
I’m not a physical therapist, you know, I exercise, I know a lot about exercise, but that’s more of like strength building. I’m not an expert in rehabilitation and repair at the cellular level, for getting someone’s muscles back in shape, but also for improving the brain muscle axis. That’s not my expertise, but that’s a physical therapist’s expertise.
And so that’s why we need all of these people working together. And too many times, especially here in America, we look for one solution. One quick fix. I just need, you know, it’s, it’s the Amazon Walmart model. Well, why is there not just a one-stop-shop for everything? I was like because this is not Amazon. This is not Walmart. It’s your; the body’s the most complex biological system on the planet.
David Serafine: [00:23:04] I think you raised a very good point, though, that it is the silo approach. You know, everybody looking for a panacea, and then in that, that’s what cures all ails. But that’s the point is even what you just said a second ago, 99.9% of the population is not going to understand that level of detail around the breadth of the disease itself.
I didn’t. I can’t tell what’s going on at the at the cell level. I have no idea what’s going on at the cell level, but I think that getting that to the communities to understand how things work and why Congress actions necessary. It’s not just one particular drug. It’s not just one particular group.
It is a holistic engagement from everybody. And I mean, holistic in the sense of systems, you know, physical therapist, as you mentioned before, researchers, wellness, practitioners, memory care practitioners, physical therapists. It’s everybody involved in that overall, that overall approach to the disease.
That’s the value of film. You can put this out there that this is a problem trying to facilitate. Okay. I’ve got X number of thousands of people going to this particular festival and then a whole bunch of visibility to set the stage where somebody could walk in and say, this is how this approach needs to be different going forward.
That’s what something like that does afford. And when it comes to film, interestingly, when, when this whole process started, you mentioned something about the loss of identity. I’m very much into stage. I would want to see this adapted to a stage. But, what I did was in the book, it affords the latitude to talk about that, that destructive process of identity internally, I can take 13 pages and describe that you can’t do that on a stage.
And you’re hoping that the audience can pick up on the fact that they’re losing their identity. Film affords you a different ability to show and to kind of cut scenes and go to something different to show you inside somebody’s mind. And that’s the processes that they’re seen as much more literal to a certain degree than something like stage.
So this film does talk about or go show the destructive process of identity throughout the film, which is the heartbreaking part, but it’s the brutal candor part of the disease itself, which is what I wanted to do from an artistic standpoint during this film.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:25:03] Yeah, it’s incredible, how many mediums you have out there now to get your story out.
And it’s something that I try to do, you know, I try on this podcast to make it scientific, to make it informative, but I also know that stories are so powerful because you need to have people connect and see, Oh, This could happen to me. This could happen to a loved one. This could happen to a friend, you know, they need to step into those shoes and see that.
And so that’s why I always try to start with someone’s personal story about why they’re doing what they’re doing because that’s important. Another thing is that I think we need to see more films like yours discussing the impact of health. And certain health conditions, you know, so many times we’re looking at, at frankly just garbage TV to help take our mind off of things when it could be used for so much more.
I stopped watching TV. I watch documentaries, and I have a couple of shows that I watch for entertainment, but I watch maybe two hours a week of TV and, and that’s about it. And most of the time, I’m trying to learn things. And I think that more people doing what you’re doing, bringing light to disease states through the power of story, is so important, and that’s what we’re going to need to reach people because a lot of people are just unaware of their risks. They’re unaware of the disease consequences. They’re unaware of support, resources. There’s a huge lack of awareness in a lot of what we try to do in holistic medicine. And so this is why you’re on the show because we’re both working towards health from vastly different avenues. You know, I’m never going to make a film in my life. I don’t have those skills,
David Serafine: [00:27:04] But it was interesting because to that point, you have to personalize the stories. It’s got to be some connective piece of the story. And so two things on that point, that is exactly why the minority community needs to represent it, the new role, your casting, because that’s the demographic most impacted yet has not been touched in the primary themes on dementia. The primary stories have not shown that voice. That’s the first thing. But the second thing for me is because you, you do want to make it. So somebody says, when I wrote the book and people started writing, I had a father, I had a mother, I had this, it’s connecting everybody.
It doesn’t matter where you go. Somebody will say to you; I had somebody who had Parkinson’s. They had Alzheimer’s. They had something. It’s not prevalent yet. It’s still not necessarily focused on the same level that other diseases are. So for me to create a story that says, there’s, again, love redemption, forgiveness, and story.
So there’s that part of it that people would want to follow and watch and see how it ends. But the bigger piece for me is it’s an early-onset Alzheimer’s story. It’s not the father that’s suffering from it; it’s the actual son. And so the first thing that came out in the book is, well, how does the individual that’s 50 some years old have Alzheimer’s? You can certainly have early-onset Alzheimer’s, so even pieces like that. Well, why didn’t you have a father have Alzheimer’s because that was part and parcel to the awareness around the disease that it can start in a young person. You don’t have to be 80 years old to have Alzheimer’s. That was the whole point of setting the stage for the son to happen versus the father in the story.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:28:27] Yeah, that’s a great point and something that some people need to be aware of. So what’s next, what’s next in the line for you? What’s next in the, in the journey of this story.
David Serafine: [00:28:40] So I think the next piece for me is, is doing exactly what you are doing right now is getting the word out. I think that the long-term goal is as the film festival circuit, as COVID comes back to the new normal of what that looks like, when you go into film festival, circuit, part of that outreach, you know, offering or asking folks like Dr. Harris to come on. Speak to the community in Buffalo, we’re in Pittsburgh or in Los Angeles, wherever it might be for the film festival circuit, but to have them come in and talk about the wellness piece of the program. That’s to everybody in attendance. That’s to the filmmakers, that’s to the directors, that’s the fans, that’s to the actors there as well. That’s to everybody. They can advocate for dementia awareness. They can advocate for wellness in the individual level as well—anything we can possibly do to get that thing. And in an outreach program during the film festival circuit, that’s the next piece? So meeting people like yourselves, it is, I didn’t mention this earlier, but it is a film collaborative sponsored film that is extremely important in that if you looked at any of the other Hollywood produced films, they’re not sponsored by the film collaborative, this is a tax-deductible endeavor.
So whether it is a Fortune 100 company, it’s an individual. It’s whoever the money’s donated to the making of the film, goes back into the very outreach programs. We’re trying to support these communities. So it is a tax write off for an organization. So that is a key piece. That’s different than the other dementia theme films that people have heard in the past as well.
So getting the word out, obviously meeting with folks like yourself as the practitioners, asking them to keep me in mind, six months, 12 months down the road that I would love to reach out and ask for their support and help as we get the messaging out. That’s the next step?
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:30:18] Amazing. So where can people go to find more about you, your book and your film?
David Serafine: [00:30:24] Yep. That’s a great question. They can go to beforetheashesfall thefilm.com, that is the website that they can go to. And it has all the information on the philanthropic portion of it, sponsored by the film collaborative, who the executive producer is, Brian Long, the wonderful director, and Sarah T Schwab is also on there as well.
They can look me up directly on LinkedIn, David Serafine, and I answer and respond to everybody; if it’s part of this particular program, I respond as quickly as I possibly can. Cause this is a passion for me. So either one of those locations, Facebook as well, we have a site set up for before the ashes fall the film on Facebook, and they can follow that as well.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:31:02] Awesome. Yeah. And the, of course, everything will be in the show notes for people who are interested, who want to follow along, interested in the book, interested in the film. David, thank you so much for coming on the show. It was a pleasure to have you, and it’s another vision of mine is that health is, is taken care of by so many different people from so many different walks of life.
You don’t have to be a doctor or a nurse or something like that to make an impact on the health of this generation of this world. And that’s exactly what you’re doing, David. So thank you so much for all your hard work and everything you’re doing to help bring some light to this world.
David Serafine: [00:31:44] Dr. Harris very much appreciate the time, your expertise, and obviously, I’m a big fan of what it is that you’re doing. So I’ll continue following and engaging. So I appreciate you.
Dr. Richard Harris: [00:31:53] Thank you. Thank you. And to all my listeners, as usual, I hope you found this informative, enlightening, and a little bit fun. Thank you for listening, and God bless.
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